I just got my 2011 V Coupe and want to upsize the wheels to 22" and drop it with a Eibach Pro kit but I don't see many, really any, on here that have over 20's. Is there a reason? Was considering 22x8.5 or 9" o front and 22x10.5-12" rear. Any info is greatly appreciated!
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LOL, your right... Lost my sensible train of thought. Im still lmao...I guess its the "Big Chrome" side trying to bust out....I got a price of $320 for Nitto Invo 345/25/20 today. Reasonable price?
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The PSS or Pirelli P Zero is about the only 21 inch tire I would run. The 305/25/21 that CJ11V is running is essentially a lower profile version of the 305/30/20 Super Sport that I run, and they are both a good match for the 27 inch tall stock sizes.![Image]()
305/25/21 PSS in the rear were $408 each
Pass on the Invo's. Just my take, but these tires are OK for traditional sport/luxury cars where they aren't pushed to the limit - maybe a Lexus SC430 or LS430, but they are not up to task for a V. I personally like the P Zero's but not many guys run them for some reason - but they come as OEM on a lot of very high end true sports and supercars. As well as Bentley, MB, Audi, Merc, and more. I have yet to see the Invo as original equipment on any Ferrari, Lambo, Mercedes, Audi, Porsche, etc. There's a reason for that.
The price is ok I suppose, but for your $320 you should get a lot better tire for than the Invo IMHO. I'm not a tire expert, but I play one on this forum LOL!
He's right - Pilot Super Sports are great all-around tires. They aren't the absolute best at straight line traction, cornering, etc. But they are the best all-around - they have amazing grip in the rain, excellent handling, cornering, noise, and wear. There ARE tires that are better in specific categories, but there's always a trade-off. They'll be noisy, wear out really fast, slide like crazy in the wet, and so on. Best part is the Pilot Super Sports are available in a wide range of sizes and are generally pretty cost effective. Don't let the price fool you - these tires are really good.
I think the P Zero are great tires too, but some guys have pushed them really hard on the track and had some failures. If you want a really quiet tire that grips like crazy, this is a great choice. It might wear a bit faster than the Super Sport, but Pirelli has updated the tread compounds in many sizes for 2014 and they now have a 300 UTQG so they should last somewhat longer than before - don't know if they'll match the Super Sports but should be improved. My 20 inch tires are so noisy I'm really tempted to try the P Zero again just to see how it rides, handles, and sounds. My wife has P Zero's as OEM tires on her 2015 Audi and they are amazingly good. Really quiet - nearly silent, smooth ride for a 40-series tire on stock 21 inch wheels, great grip. Haven't had them long enough to comment on wear, but time will tell.
Overall though, the Super Sports and the P Zero line are available in about the widest range of sizes of any performance tire, both are highly rated, come as OEM on some of the best sports cars in the world, and aren't stupid expensive. Pick up a set of these in a 265 or 275 front and 285 to 305 rear (or something like a meaty 345/25/20 if you have a coupe!), put them on a 9.5 front and 10.5 to 12 inch rear and you'll be very happy with them.
Best advice I can give you is this: Start with the right tire size for your needs, THEN find a wheel you like. Too many people fall in love with a certain wheel and size based on looks, and only then do they consider what tires are available. Just my humble opinion, but for the best handling and performance, that's putting the cart before the horse. Since you mentioned handling and performance were important to you - and they SHOULD be if you drive a damn V! - start with a high quality, high performance tire. If you've never seen that tire as OEM on a Ferrari, Audi RS, AMG, M, or even a Vette - then that tire model probably isn't worthy of being mounted on a V.
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I've been schooled by TriTexan about the tire aspect of the wheel upgrade and performance issues of skinny aspect ratio tires. So the general consensus is 20x12/9 with a 345/25/20 and 280/30/20 will be best for straight line and track applications. Ty for your input, much appreciated.
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Ty, very helpful. Good point regarding PZeros being stock on high-end cars, makes sense. I checked on the Invo as it seemed to be widely used on a lot of cars here on the forum. Another lesson learns, thank you wise one, much appreciated once again!
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One last thought - a 280/30/20 is probably a 285/30/20. And the smallest recommended wheel width for that tire would probably be a 9.5 inch rim. Just realize that on that narrow a rim, a tire like the Super Sport will have some sidewall rollover and won't turn in nearly as sharp as the stock 255's on a 9 inch rim. A 285 tire is more than an inch wider that stock, and even at 9.5 inches the wheel is only half an inch wider. For the front wheel, you actually want a little of what guys often call "stretch" for the best performance. If you can get a 9.5 inch rim, you definitely need it to run a 285 tire. Otherwise, just drop down to a 275 or 265. Don't worry - you aren't going to lose any grip, in fact you might GAIN some grip even with the narrower tire. This is because for a given tire pressure, the number of square inches of tire contact needed to support the car is actually the same. So as the tire gets narrower in width, the contact patch MUST get longer to achieve the same upward pressure - otherwise the tire wouldn't hold up the car! It's a common misconception that wider tires always offer more rubber on the road, but this isn't always true. Again - there are plenty of guys on here that know way more than me, so maybe they'll chime in. But don't be afraid of going a little smaller up front - it can really benefit you in terms of the drivability of the car. With the right tire, a 265 front on a 9.5 inch wheel is a pretty good fit.
Now if you are truly going to track the car, the track experts would have you go with a square setup all around - same tire and size at all four corners. If you really pushed it, I've seen 295's run on a 9.5 inch wheel on all four corners, but this required a custom wheel configuration dedicated to track use. And proper track tires are usually a lot worse in the rain that good street tires.
Ok, that's all - I'll butt out and leave you alone. And just remember - it doesn't matter what I say if you don't LOVE the car and get joy out of it every time you drive it. So if monster wheels are what gets your rocks off, by all means you should get them! And I mean that with all sincerity...
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I've had both the PZero's and PSS's on the car (still have the PZero's on the front)... the PSS's give considerably better traction than my PZero's ever did.
It was a blessing that Pirelli stopped making the 295/25/21 size as that's what I was headed back to... the PSS's are so much better.
Did I mention that I'm much happier with my PSS's?
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It was a blessing that Pirelli stopped making the 295/25/21 size as that's what I was headed back to... the PSS's are so much better.
Did I mention that I'm much happier with my PSS's?
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Don't listen to these guys man, do what you feel looks best. Don't change your mind over the opinions of those you don't know. Most of these guys are older and probably still carry around flip phones. When I posted pictures of my car I recieved much hate from these forums. I have 22 inch Lexani Forged rims on my V and I get compliments daily from young/old/white/black/men/women. My performance suffered some and also the way it rides is slightly rougher but it is well worth it. If I wanted a race car I wouldn't have bought a Cadillac and if I wanted something more luxurious I would have bought a Maserati. The good thing about the V is that it has the qualities of both and as long as you keep it somewhat classy 22's do not look bad at all.
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So 21" look amazing and 22" look ghetto? Really? Other than the weight issue and rotating mass. I say it's all preference. If I did do a 22" I would have to do a forged one or carbon fiber ( which I can't afford) for it to make to sense to me. Putting a 55lb wheels on a 700hp car is kinda counter productive like Tri said but I like the look depending on wheel choice.
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By comparison, my 20 inch Forgelines are like 23 to 25lbs. That's 30 lbs per corner...dang.
But you guys have it right...go with what makes you happy. We gave various opinions so now whatever you decide...you've made a choice with all the facts and input. If the ride is harsh or you have limited tire choices...at least you knew that ahead of time and were good with it. If you LOVE the looks of the 22's and don't mind the tradeoffs, then you're golden.
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What do you hate about them, specifically? Curious on your thoughts.
Also, I went with the 21" T1R's because I could get a whole set for around ~$1100 shipped. The traction on these is, in my opinion, better than the stock 19's with PSS -- and by "better," I obviously mean "still shitty."
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They ride like ass... don't corner well... don't take bumps AT ALL... heh. It's the 25 series rubber bands.
I fear road reflectors... let alone small bumps or lips in the road. A pot hole and it's death to the wheel.
I'm deadly careful when it comes to wheels that I've had on all my cars... I've never road rashed one... but these 21's have small nicks/dents in the wheel lips from - even gently - running over the above mentioned.
It's always funny... you know when you are driving and you are about to run over something... and you lift your ass out of the seat to... you know... make the car "glide" over the road hazard? I always have that feeling/awareness when I have the 21's on the car.
I have Modulare M15's.
edit: I think another reason why I stuck with the PZero's or the PSS's is that they are (Y) rated tires. Everything else was just Y or Z rated.
I fear road reflectors... let alone small bumps or lips in the road. A pot hole and it's death to the wheel.
I'm deadly careful when it comes to wheels that I've had on all my cars... I've never road rashed one... but these 21's have small nicks/dents in the wheel lips from - even gently - running over the above mentioned.
It's always funny... you know when you are driving and you are about to run over something... and you lift your ass out of the seat to... you know... make the car "glide" over the road hazard? I always have that feeling/awareness when I have the 21's on the car.
I have Modulare M15's.
edit: I think another reason why I stuck with the PZero's or the PSS's is that they are (Y) rated tires. Everything else was just Y or Z rated.
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I would love to do a 21" to 20" back-to-back comparison in my car. I've forgotten what the OEM 19's felt like. I hear you on being more aware of what you're about to drive over. I don't lift my ass out of the seat, but I definitely do a deep INHALE and hold my breath until I'm over a bump.
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Ok I have a question and im also on 22in wheels. Im looking to down size to 20 in wheels for track days or heavy street nights. But I want to stay close to a square set up and add +5 on the sidewalls of the tires and some width. Currently I am running 22X10 +38 wheels with 245-30-22 all around on tires. I like the look. But like I said I want to go with a wider tire in the rear and more sidewall front and back. Im guessing around 250-35-20 in the front and 285-35-20 in the rear. But im not sure. And what would the new offset be to maintain the current level of flushness?
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The 22's don't look that bad, definitely better on the Coupes than the Sedan though. Doing the whole large diameter rim thing I understand and I get it, it can look cool. But fitting narrower tires (in some cases narrower than stock) to do so I do not understand.
I would do a 20" x 9-9.5" with a 265/35/20 up front and a 20" x 11" with a 305/30/20 in the rear, those sizes fit without issue and maximize the 20" tire widths you can fit on a sedan. Additionally, if you wanted to run a square 20" set-up you could probably do a 20" x 9.5"-10" with a 295/30/20 on all 4 corners.
So you're 22" square set-up is on 245/30/22 which are a lot narrower tire than stock sizes, especially for the rear, going to a 20" size rim set-up with more tire for more traction is definitely the right direction. But IMO going back to the stock width sizes of 255 front and 285 rear although is wider than what you're on now, really isn't maximizing the width of tire that you could run.
I would do a 20" x 9-9.5" with a 265/35/20 up front and a 20" x 11" with a 305/30/20 in the rear, those sizes fit without issue and maximize the 20" tire widths you can fit on a sedan. Additionally, if you wanted to run a square 20" set-up you could probably do a 20" x 9.5"-10" with a 295/30/20 on all 4 corners.
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I didnt know you could go that wide in the front. So I could do a 285/35/20 on all corners as well??
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