[MrSurly]

If you are building all-in, big cubes, big blower and need big fuel…
Is Fore really the ONLY game in town? No competition at all?
Y’all school me on what’s out there in the way of a full system, (not add-on aux pumps) with return. So far I have only found Fore. I suppose they’re awesome but are they truly the only option for a streetable full-tilt build?


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[papi]

Adams module is another. A triple in a bucket.
Dave Steck had a triple in testing, in a bucket also, a year or so ago. Not sure if it got anywhere.
I got my Squash over the Fore because of the bucket, and because I didn’t need more than 2 450’s.

 

[Lt1z]

For triple pumps pretty much

 

[Black_V21]

There's Fuel by AI but I'm not sure if they offer a complete kit like Fore does. I have the Fore kit as well, works great until under half tank.

 

[MrSurly]

Looks like that's the way I'll have to go.
It would be nice if there were competing vendors and ideas.
I heard some mention about a 'surge tank' system using a tank-with-pumps in the engine bay... apparently not something that is available; just chatter.
I can always build it, but I don't care to re-invent that wheel right now.
The Fore system looks like a solid set up, as long as pump staging is managed to keep the heat down. I'm wondering how noisy the pumps get with all three running, but it doesn't matter as there are no choices. 🤦

 

[MrSurly]

There's Fuel by AI but I'm not sure if they offer a complete kit like Fore does. I have the Fore kit as well, works great until under half tank.

And what happens under half-tank? Starvation?
I keep reading that Hydramats are the fix

 

[MrSurly]

For triple pumps pretty much

Are there double pumps that can do the job?
Here's what I'd like to see from those in the know: What is the generally understood HP limit of each of these systems...

stock pumps:
DW300 X2:
DW300s + aux:
2x ANY pump model, you pick:
Fore triple:

 

[Black_V21]

Surging if you floor it due to the fuel moving around. Haven't tried a hydromat yet. Has anyone here ran them with the fore kit? Any experience with this?

 

[MrSurly]

The AI surge tank I found (Australia) looks VERY interesting, still stupid costly 2700USd with triple 450s/regulator/hobbs, etc.
Really have to consider it. I'd keep current setup, add a return port... the fore would be a bit less money, plus I could recoup some by selling the ALM/DW300 set up.

I'm not concerned about having a kit, although a kit could save a lot of time.

 

[Sbchris]

Thought surge tanks are more for the road car crowd or no?


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[MrSurly]

Thought surge tanks are more for the road car crowd or no?


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I was told they were also useful for the drag crowd to avoid the surge/starvation issue.

 

[loweredd]

@adam112 triple. 295/285/285. Actually, if I was going to do it again, I'd just put a big cell in the truck and run one of those huge Aeromotive pumps in it. I THOUGHT about doing that. I had seen a G8 with a nice setup like that, but wasn't sure what I needed to do to pass tech if I go to a track. I ended up with Adam's kit.

 

[adam112]

Dedicated motor sports was working on a sure tank kit but not sure where it’s at. They have a couple in the wild for at least a year.

I know talking with the guys last year at TX2K that they didn’t love having the surge tank where the washer tank is originally, and I conjecture they may have cooled on the product design with what could be seen as a liability concern.

If you don’t care about your trunk, fuel cell is a great option.

 

[papi]

Are there double pumps that can do the job?
Here's what I'd like to see from those in the know: What is the generally understood HP limit of each of these systems...

stock pumps:
DW300 X2:
DW300s + aux:
2x ANY pump model, you pick:
Fore triple:

My Squash with 2x450’s is supposed to be good for 1000rwhp on E85 with aftermarket fuel rails.

 

[MrSurly]

Dedicated motor sports was working on a sure tank kit but not sure where it’s at.

I Have talked with Matt (DMS) and the system (or some part of it) is discontinued so it's effectively no longer offered.

Looking further at AI's site I was hung up on looking at the underhood or 'remote' surge tanks, but after searching for CTS-V, I am greatly intrigued by this in-tank AI system although I'm not certain how its specs com[pare to Adam's or Fore's.

 

[MrSurly]

Dedicated motor sports was working on a surge tank kit but not sure where it’s at. They have a couple in the wild for at least a year.

Adam: Re: your triple system, using your best pumps, what HP have they been able to support ?
Also, what do you supply in the way of harness, relays, control module?

 

[adam112]

Adam: Re: your triple system, using your best pumps, what HP have they been able to support ?
Also, what do you supply in the way of harness, relays, control module?

Rob Collins out of TN is making 1350whp with triple 285s. He had a Fore double and was starving at launch with hydramats/ tapping it out a little shy of that power number. That’s on barrel e100.

For return setups, I point people to Fore’s solid state controller. I provide the module side harness and mating connector to be wired to. For returnless, VaporWorx has a sweet slave controller (random84 is running one or two of these iirc) that comes with wiring and allows for returnless fscm pwm control of all three pumps.

 

[random84]

Rob Collins out of TN is making 1350whp with triple 285s. He had a Fore double and was starving at launch with hydramats/ tapping it out a little shy of that power number. That’s on barrel e100.

That's awesome

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[Blades1_99]

Random and Adam...pushing barriers.

That sounds odd when I type it.

 

[loweredd]

If I can get mine up to Sioux Falls to dyno, we can see what I get out of one.