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Just wrapped up pretty much a complete front end job with subframe repair and the rear end starts grinding, not whining. I thought it was the transmission but after getting it on the lift it was evident it was the rear end. I dropped it out of the car and with the help of some posts from Walkers4x4 and MrSurly I got it apart to discover the pinion bearings are what's grinding. However I cannot seem to get the pinion out of the case. I removed the nut and had probably at least 15 ton of pressure from my press on it. I then heated it up till the seal burned but still no budge. I'm afraid to really reef on my press, it is only rated for 20 tons. I mean I don't care about the press but I don't want to crack something on the diff.

According to this post from MrSurly there should be nothing below the nut that would hold this shaft in place.
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And Walkers4x4 post says he had to beat it out with a sledgehammer.
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So what am I missing? I mean the bearing is destroyed but even if it was somehow melded to the shaft they're tapered and should still pop out the back.

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Pull the yoke first with a 3 bolt puller. Then you should be able to press the pinion out of the outer bearing. Pressing the two combined is probably incredible.

I used a brass hammer to drive my pinion out.
 

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OK I did that since my last post. Here's where I'm at. As you can see the bearing is toast and welded to the pinion shaft. I've maxed out my press at 20 tons and lots of heat and no budge. I called a local diff shop and he said pretty much the only way is to cut it out with a torch.

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Rather than actually cutting it with a torch, try setting it up in the press along with a piece of iron water pipe about two inches long sized to fit over the threads to (1-1/4 maybe?) so the press isn’t pushing on the stub but against the shoulder.
Then use a torch to heat ONE spot on the inner race rapidly, stopping just short of melting, then reef on the press. The goal is to heat just one point on the race to cherry red withOUT heating the entire shaft, so work fast. If it doesn’t budge, leave it in the press and let it cool for an hour, then repeat on a spot on the opposite side of the race.


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Rather than actually cutting it with a torch, try setting it up in the press along with a piece of iron water pipe about two inches long sized to fit over the threads to (1-1/4 maybe?) so the press isn’t pushing on the stub but against the shoulder.
Thanks, that is a good idea. I used about 40 cu. ft. of acetylene (half a Q tank) trying to heat up, cool down...press, heat up, cool down...press. After about half a day on this I initiated the cutting approach. It's tricky for sure, and the pinion shaft is definitely getting hot...there's no way around that. I have a stream of air blowing at the pinion gear underneath, hopefully that helps. I'm going to have to look at having it heat treated after this but realize it's probably loosing some strength. Oh well, I mean it's not working unless I get this shaft out and the bearings replaced. I'm out of gas now and about half way through, I'll post some pics.

On another note, is the LSD pack serviceable. I see MrSurly had his apart but are those plates available anywhere? I didn't see them at RA. I'm quite certain my plates are burnt up as the intense smell combined with black liquid and bits of debris leads me to believe.
 

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The diff clutches should be part number 19132906. I've not bought them, but that appears to be them.
Thanks Dude. RA has a picture of some sort of diff cover that isn't even slightly resembling of anything on the V's. I just bought a pack along with some seals.
 

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I got a used rear diff and received it earlier this week. Unfortunately upon inspection I discovered there was sand and road gravel inside the unit. So apart it had to come. All parts were washed in a commercial cleaning solvent and dried. After going through everything and comparing to my old differential (the original one that locked the front driveshaft bearing) I noticed the differential half shafts holding the two pinion gears inside the carrier assembly had their tips sheared off. I only realized this wasn't right because one of the shafts in my original diff still had it in tact as part of the shaft. So out of four of these shafts three of them had the tips sheared off.

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Has anyone else that has had their diffs apart noticed this? Did you do anything to fix it?

Wondering if I should just leave them or try and weld them back together. If I'm even a little off center or it's not perfectly straight it could cause some unsustainable side loading or misalignment and failure scenario.
 

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Also wondering what purpose these pins serve. Is it just to align the tapered end of the pinion shaft? Is it to keep the differential shaft from rotating or sliding out? Even though the ring gear should prevent this. These gears really don't spin as much as they apply force, like to the clutch packs.

The taper ends of the pinion shafts whose pins had sheared off appear a little more worn than the one shaft that is still intact. Wondering if that's because they're flapping around without the tips attached.

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In good forum fashion I thought I'd close this one out with my solution(s).

I bought another rear differential and unfortunately it had some Arizona road dust inside when I received it, refer to photos 1 and 2. There were some rather large rocks in there. Took everything completely apart and cleaned in GM approved parts cleaning solvent. During the process of replacing all of the differential mounting bushings the axle bearing race on the large pumpkin housing just fell right out. I'm like OK, so it must have shrunk or something and the new one will press right in (wrong, keep reading). The bearing race was spinning in the housing, refer to photo 3. The outside of the race and the steel shim behind it were worn.

I bought and installed new clutch packs, new axle bearings, new axle seals, new pinion seal. I left the pinion and its bearings in place. Pinion gear and ring gear looked really good, refer to photo 4. I went with Timkin bearings which may not have been the best choice (read on). The parts BOM is as follows:
  1. Rear axle bearings Timkin 32010X QTY 2
  2. Rear axle seals AC Delco 02291342 QTY 2
  3. Side cover seal AC Delco 3689060115 QTY 1
  4. Pinion shaft seal AC Delco 25861283 QTY 1
  5. Diff bushing, LH front AC Delco 3625995852 QTY 1
  6. Diff bushing, RH front AC Delco 3625995851 QTY 1
  7. Diff bushing, rear AC Delco 3625795472 QTY 1
  8. Differential clutch AC Delco 3619132906 QTY 2
I soaked the clutch plates in gear oil overnight and put everything back together. The factory manual says to replace all of the ring gear bolts, I decided NOT to. During reassembly I discovered the new wheel bearing race would NOT stay in place. I could actually install it by hand and once seated it would rotate by hand. Definitely not good. My solution after many deliberations (with me, myself, and I) was to TIG weld the housing race seat without using any filler rod, refer to photo 5. Basically creating pools of metal with raised sides...kind of like the hammer and peen method but better. The race then pressed in with the help of the shop press.

So the next little deal were the diff shafts in the LSD, the smaller half shafts with sheared off pin heads. You can see this in my previous post above, #13. I ended up using the one good shaft from my old diff and one of the sheared shafts with the sheared head installed into the mainshaft hole, refer to #13 above.

And the next little deal? Well when I put the lid back on the input shaft was way to hard to spin by hand. The torque spec is like 30in.lbs. for it to spin and it was like 30ft.lbs. The only thing different were the Timkin axle bearings, these Getrag differentials use SKF bearings...all German crap...errrr stuff I mean. The bearing specs are pretty much identical except for this one parameter called "effective center location", or a(4), refer to drawing 1. There is about a .25mm difference between the two bearings on this one spec...pretty much everything else is identical including overall race to race shoulder width (20mm). In the end I removed the bearing race, removed the shim behind the bearing race, reinstalled a new bearing race WITHOUT the shim in place, and re-assembled the differ cover. This pressed the race to the needed distance and I then measured the clearance Clarence between the race and case with some gage blocks. At the end of the day the shim needed about .25mm shaved off...or about the same amount as the difference between these two bearings in dimension a(4), the effective center location. When I rebuild my old diff I will be using SKF axle bearings. After performing this the assembled diff was able to spin by hand and the backlash was well within factory spec.

I have about 500 miles on it as of now, this is my daily driver in the non-winter months. So far so good, no whining, no grinding, about same gas mileage, GREAT power, couple burnouts, some rear end slides (almost too much, ha ha ha).

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In good forum fashion I thought I'd close this one out with my solution(s).

I bought another rear differential and unfortunately it had some Arizona road dust inside when I received it, refer to photos 1 and 2. There were some rather large rocks in there. Took everything completely apart and cleaned in GM approved parts cleaning solvent. During the process of replacing all of the differential mounting bushings the axle bearing race on the large pumpkin housing just fell right out. I'm like OK, so it must have shrunk or something and the new one will press right in (wrong, keep reading). The bearing race was spinning in the housing, refer to photo 3. The outside of the race and the steel shim behind it were worn.

I bought and installed new clutch packs, new axle bearings, new axle seals, new pinion seal. I left the pinion and its bearings in place. Pinion gear and ring gear looked really good, refer to photo 4. I went with Timkin bearings which may not have been best choice (read on). The parts BOM is as follows:
  1. Rear axle bearings Timkin 32010X QTY 2
  2. Rear axle seals AC Delco 02291342 QTY 2
  3. Side cover seal AC Delco 3689060115 QTY 1
  4. Diff bushing, LH front AC Delco 3625995852 QTY 1
  5. Diff bushing, RH front AC Delco 3625995851 QTY 1
  6. Diff bushing, rear AC Delco 3625795472 QTY 1
  7. Differential clutch AC Delco 3619132906 QTY 2
I soaked the clutch plates in gear oil overnight and put everything back together. The factory manual says to replace all ring gear bolts, I decided NOT to. During reassembly I discovered the new wheel bearing race would NOT stay in place. I could actually install it by hand and once seated would rotate by hand. Definitely not good. My solution after many deliberations (with me, myself, and I) I decide to TIG weld the housing race seat without using any filler rod, refer to photo 5. Basically creating pools of metal with raised sides...kind of like the hammer and peen method but better. The race then pressed in with the help of the shop press.

So the next little deal was the diff shafts in the LSD, the smaller half shafts with sheared off pin heads. You can see this in my previous post above, #13. I ended up using the one good shaft from my old diff and one of the sheared shafts with the sheared head installed into the mainshaft hole, refer to #13 above.

And the next little deal? Well when I put the lid back on the input shaft was way to hard to spin by hand. The torque spec is like 30in.lbs. for it to spin and it was like 30ft.lbs. The only thing different were the Timkin axle bearings, these Getrag differentials use SKF bearings...all German crap...errrr stuff I mean. The bearing specs are pretty much identical except for this one parameter called "effective center location", or a(4), refer to drawing 1. There is about a .25mm difference between the two bearings on this one spec...pretty much everything else is identical including overall race to race shoulder width (20mm). In the end I removed the bearing race, removed the shim behind the bearing race, reinstalled a new bearing race WITHOUT the shim in place, and re-assembled the differ cover. This pressed the race to the needed distance and I then measured the clearance Clarence between the race and case with some gage blocks. At the end of the day the shim needed about .25mm shaved off...or about the same amount as the difference between these two bearings in dimension a(4), the effective center location. When I rebuild my old diff I will be using SKF axle bearings. After performing this the assembled diff was able to spin by hand and the backlash was well within factory spec.

I have about 500 miles on it as of now, this is my daily driver in the non-winter months. So far so good, no whining, no grinding, about same gas mileage, GREAT power, couple burnouts, some rear end slides (almost too much, ha ha ha).

BigDuderShooter As always, your write-ups are the absolute best!
 

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Clearance Clarence. How many will miss that! Lol

Great writeup!
 
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