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I'm trying to get my 2650 setup squared away , looking at the logs there is a fuel pressure drop right at 5250 rpm every time I make a pull. the fore system is installed with holly hydra mats on all three pumps and is using the 274, 285,285 setup, it is running a -10 feed with-8 return and the rails are ran in series with the regulator after the rails. fuel pressure sensor was installed at the fore filter with their adaptor. I am running the hobb switch threaded directly into the front of the blower where the two ports are for the secondary activation and using the FSCM green/white wire for primary activation.
the tune is set to no FPCM fitted and pump type is set to fixed. not sure if its a reversion issue where the hobb is located or the pcm is cutting primary pump for some reason ? attached is the log
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What PSI does your Hobbs trigger at?

The FPCM acts independently of the ECM tune for the most part, even though you're only using it as essentially a relay to trigger your 2nd pump. The FPCM is pulse-width modulated so although I am not familiar with using it in the fashion you are, I'd make sure I'm not getting variable voltage on my trigger wire - pumps will run even when they're not PWM compatible, but won't reach full flow and die early.

My second suggestion is to look at making sure you are hitting "high flow" early enough (ie lower the fuel flow limit to trigger it earlier) to make sure the FPCM isn't trying to modulate or cut out the pump based on it's confused expectation of what your flow and fuel pressure should be doing.
What PSI does your Hobbs trigger at?

The FPCM acts independently of the ECM tune for the most part, even though you're only using it as essentially a relay to trigger your 2nd pump. The FPCM is pulse-width modulated so although I am not familiar with using it in the fashion you are, I'd make sure I'm not getting variable voltage on my trigger wire - pumps will run even when they're not PWM compatible, but won't reach full flow and die early.

My second suggestion is to look at making sure you are hitting "high flow" early enough (ie lower the fuel flow limit to trigger it earlier) to make sure the FPCM isn't trying to modulate or cut out the pump based on it's confused expectation of what your flow and fuel pressure should be doing.
You must of read the post wrong , the 4 psi hobb switch is for the 285’s
there are some settings that need to be done so u use the pressure sensor but also the fpcm isnt trying to correct anything based off it, are u manifold referenced fuel pressure now ? i dont think just setting those on the fuel tab work as u still need to set some other stuff, in the injector data set the rail pressure to min 150kpa and max 600kpa, in the fuel control module tab set the ''fuel pump'' open loop DC to all zero and min DC to all zero, set max desired pressure to all 600kpa, leave the rest stock see if that helps
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there are some settings that need to be done so u use the pressure sensor but also the fpcm isnt trying to correct anything based off it, are u manifold referenced fuel pressure now ? i dont think just setting those on the fuel tab work as u still need to set some other stuff, in the injector data set the rail pressure to min 150kpa and max 600kpa, in the fuel control module tab set the ''fuel pump'' open loop DC to all zero and min DC to all zero, set max desired pressure to all 600kpa, leave the rest stock see if that helps
I was worried about that , I wasn’t sure how much feedback the PCM would give on the Green/white wire. Yes is boost reference at the same location as the hobb switch.
because fuel pressure drops at that point it seems like something is still in play to control it, with an aftermarket pump setup with its own reg it really shouldnt be able too, just looking more at your log there is still the ecu/fpcm trying to adjust the fuel pressure as it jumps way too much so try the settings i mentioned they should allow the sensor to read but not make adjustments to it, u should be able to watch fuel pressure and boost and if ur base is 58psi (KOEO) then as boost increases each psi should add to the 58psi as its delta so ur at 20psi u shouldnt see fuel pressure over 78psi which yours goes well over that and moves around which a mechanical reg referenced to manifold shouldn't do unless manifold pressure is moving also,
because fuel pressure drops at that point it seems like something is still in play to control it, with an aftermarket pump setup with its own reg it really shouldnt be able too, just looking more at your log there is still the ecu/fpcm trying to adjust the fuel pressure as it jumps way too much so try the settings i mentioned they should allow the sensor to read but not make adjustments to it, u should be able to watch fuel pressure and boost and if ur base is 58psi (KOEO) then as boost increases each psi should add to the 58psi as its delta so ur at 20psi u shouldnt see fuel pressure over 78psi which yours goes well over that and moves around which a mechanical reg referenced to manifold shouldn't do unless manifold pressure is moving also,
That’s what I was leaning toward , the fact that it pulled pressure at the shift as well is what made me 🧐. On the high pressure I figured I was overrunning the return …..
u look to be some what scaled for the injectors also ? so there could be some other settings need changing if not done already also, was the injector data setup for the manifold referenced reg ? if thats not changed then u can be chasing your tail with the regulator and ecu doing the delta for the injectors where u only want the mechanical reg doing the delta now
u look to be some what scaled for the injectors also ? so there could be some other settings need changing if not done already also, was the injector data setup for the manifold referenced reg ? if thats not changed then u can be chasing your tail with the regulator and ecu doing the delta for the injectors where u only want the mechanical reg doing the delta now
Yes it’s 50 scaled and injector data is correct
encase anyone needs to know... data for a mechanical reg should be the IFR value for the base pressure u are running should be in all cells in the IFR table, and the same for the offset/pressure/volts should be that same base pressure column values should be in all columns
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got her dialed in .... of course I didn't read the warning right on the hobb switch ! I had the hobb threaded into the blower just because I liked the packaging and how clean it was. the settings for the FPCM didn't work so i decided it had to be a reversion issue at the switch and as soon as I pulled out the hobb switch , I read the bold warning message "do not mount on engine or related components vibration will cause malfunction" :unsure::LOL: needless to say I removed the switch and mounted it near the pcm and went for a test run.... FIXED !!! glad i got it figured out before i hurt the engine.
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