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Looking for some advice: My wife was in the V waiting for a left turn green light: the light went green and the next thing she knew the airbag was in her face: a young lady in a jeep had run a red light and hit her left front. She had barely engaged the clutch, so the V was at very low speed if moving at all. My wife is sore but otherwise OK.
The insurance company is saying the car is totaled. It is a 2010 with 87,849 miles, interior a 9, exterior an 8, and the damage seems to be left front bodywork: the car rolls, engine compartment looks ok, and the driver airbag did deploy. Other than the damage the car was essentially perfect.

Insurance says it is totaled, and is offering $26,498, saying salvage value is $9975. Looking for advice on the value, and also if it is insane to consider having it fixed (I have no idea what it takes to re-certify). Any thoughts appreciated, it has been a super car (I am second owner, bought from a friend who purchased it new). Of course I just did the front discs and pads, was going to do the rears this weekend....

Thanks in advance! We are in the Boston area.

David

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If you still love the car, have it fixed...you know what you have with your car. Having it recertified is no big deal, the body shop that does the work can help find a state inspection facility.
Take it to Bobby Cobb the owner of today's collision. Malden and Chelsea. The best of the best.
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Document thoroughly * every bit of damage as well as pics of the UNDAMAGED parts/areas of the car, before and during disassembly. Take lots of pics and a video walk around. The point is that the car is definitely worth fixing but someday You'll be selling it and the branded title kills the value... *UNLESS you have the proof of what was and was NOT damaged, documented before the repair. It's not the branded title, but the MYSTERY behind it that kills value. Keep proof of how lightly it was hit and it will be more valuable.
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A 13 year old car. Something to consider if you are going to buyback, fix and try to re-certify. I think it is gonna cost you more to fix than what you will recover from insurance.
Sorry for the loss, glad no one is in the hospital. Car did what it was supposed to do.
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First off sorry this happened but glad your wife is ok.
if it was me, I will not deal with a salvage/branded title. It kills resale value and sometimes they just can’t get things perfect again. I’d try and get the insurance to come up on value of the car and then go put that towards another V
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First off sorry this happened but glad your wife is ok.
if it was me, I will not deal with a salvage/branded title. It kills resale value and sometimes they just can’t get things perfect again. I’d try and get the insurance to come up on value of the car and then go put that towards another V
I’d agree, if you can buy it back from them for the salvage value and you have the means to do so I would, the drivetrain alone as a pull out is probably worth 15k
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I agree with Rekkr, the tarnished title will come back to haunt you if you ever sell it. Also a silver manual v holds more value than an auto. See if you can find some comps of what cars comparable to yours are selling for and submit that to the insurance company to get them to bring their offering up. Glad your wife is ok and good luck fighting the insurance companies, they never see the value in these cars we cherish
First off sorry this happened but glad your wife is ok.
if it was me, I will not deal with a salvage/branded title. It kills resale value and sometimes they just can’t get things perfect again. I’d try and get the insurance to come up on value of the car and then go put that towards another V
I agree! Check the value of your car using NADA and KBB. You should be receiving retail value plus tax. Make sure the insurance company has all your options. Sounds like your car was in near perfect condition. Dispute any deductions by the insurance company. Talk to a supervisor if the claim adjuster says there is nothing more they can do. If your wife is sore make sure she gets checked by a doctor. You may need to speak to an injury lawyer. Good luck!
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Hiring a lawyer is the first thing I’d have done honestly. Let them fight for you and the wife. Let them deal with the insurance company. As one poster stated above, your drivetrain is probably worth between 10-12k. Insurance companies are hoping you will take their first offer. Don’t. They’re crooks and it’s their job to get you to take a bad offer
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I’m glad the V protected your wife. Sorry for what you’ll be going through.
On a side note, they may be totaling it because there are no replacement headlamps anywhere!


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First of all, glad your wife is OK. I agree with what everyone is saying. At the very least find a few Vs within a reasonable distance with similar miles and a stick (not going to be easy) for price comps. Don't use or accept any automatics as comps. They are WAY too low on their value. I'd bet you couldn't find another with less than 100k miles for under $35k. Lawyer is a good idea.

Years ago I had to do the same for the wife's car before we were married. But that was only a $4k car. I think they offered like 1500 initially. They gave us an appropriate amount after I showed them comparable vehicles.
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I agree with everything that @piening2150 said. Insurance companies always offer a low price at first. I know several people who have negotiated upward. Show comps for MANUAL TRANSMISSION vehicles. For what it is worth, I paid $36,500 for a pretty clean 2010 sedan with 60k miles in August of 2022.

Personally, if you like the car, I would buy it back from the insurance company and have a reputable shop fix it. I am not familiar with Massachusetts, but here in Michigan, a state licensed mechanical inspect the vehicle when complete and fill out the paperwork to change it from a SALVAGE title (which cannot be registered) to a REBUILT title (which can be insured and registered). Resale value will suffer. But if you want to keep DRIVING it, you know what you have. The damage looks easily repairable by a reputable shop. I would buy it for $10k and fix it...but I am DIY kind of guy and know people who have collision shops to do major repairs.
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They're giving you the high end of the trade-in value range on the car, according to KBB. I'd take it. Even if you could repair it for less than what they're offering (which I would not be at all sure of, considering you have to start $10K in the hole to buy the salvage title). The car is bought and paid for, I assume. Are you really willing to put another $24K in to it? Take the insurance money and that other $24K and go buy a replacement that hasn't been smashed.
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Also make sure you send the Insurance Co. receipts or bills for all recent work like your front brakes. They will give you additional $ for recent work.
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I agree with all of the advice above. Take pictures and video, Get your own attorney. Research current market values. Keep receipts.

Sounds like you want to keep this particular car.

I have not been through this process personally, only read about it a couple different places on the web, so it MUST be true.

As your wife was not at fault, the other driver's insurance carrier is on the hook to make you whole again, not your carrier. Your insurance carrier has attorneys. These attorneys are on your side. Your premiums pay for these attorneys.

It will be headache-inducing, but it is your carrier's duty to do as you wish with regard to this car. They should make sure the other company fixes your car to your satisfaction, and to compensate you for the lower future sale price by way of a diminished value settlement.
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They dont owe you KBB, they owe you what it would cost to replace. Ask for the comps and look around to see what a car similar to yours sells for. The insurance adjuster should provide a report so check it for accuracy. They need to base the value on your cars condition pre accident. One time they dinged me for a leaky radiator.... it was leaking from the crash dummy. This number plus tax is what they owe you. Honestly that salvage value is pretty high, so I would walk away. Unless you own a body shop or something its going to turn into a can of worms. Also the car is very old and would be near worthless with a salvage title. I just did a brief search and in the Houston area at least, your car is worth ALOT closer to 30K.
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They dont owe you KBB, they owe you what it would cost to replace.
I don't think that's correct. They owe you "fair market value" unless you've paid extra for a "full replacement cost" rider on your policy (which not all insurance co.s even offer).
I don't think that's correct. They owe you "fair market value" unless you've paid extra for a "full replacement cost" rider on your policy (which not all insurance co.s even offer).
I think you are confusing yourself with these terms. Fair market value IS what it should cost to replace with the same car, not a brand new one. The term used in the industry is Actual Cash Value. Your personal policy may have some type of replacement cost endorsement, but the at fault carrier will only pay you ACV. If you had such an endorsement, you would have to claim thru your own ins and then they would subrogate the difference for you. The only replacement policies I've seen only covered cars near brand new with low miles FWIW.

KBB was never super accurate to begin with and is even less so these days with the way the car market is. Fair market value is the same as ACV, which is what it would theoretically cost to buy another 2010 V with similar miles in the same area, plus tax. I can guarantee you the person who does the valuation wont look at NADA or KBB, they're going to look at cars for sale and cars sold, then modify it for mileage, features, condition etc. This is why you request the report to check for accuracy and look up your own comps. Depending on the state, you can invoke your right to an appraisal, and a neutral third party would look at both your valuations and decide what the number will be.

Also if your wife is in pain PLEASE go get checked out, and if there is any serious injuries requiring treatment, consider consulting an attorney.
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