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We are purchasing a home and it has 3 zones of hard wired speakers. The owners will sell me his set-up, but not sure of the price. I have no idea about this stuff, so I am reaching out because I know someone here has something like this I’m sure...

This is what he is using, 3 sonos connect, parasound zone master model 650 six channel amp and a Panamax MR4300 surge protector. There are also 2 outdoor speakers mounted on the lenai that he showed an invoice saying $900 for the pair(not sure of the brand).

What would something like that run to replace, or would you go a different route?


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We are purchasing a home and it has 3 zones of hard wired speakers. The owners will sell me his set-up, but not sure of the price. I have no idea about this stuff, so I am reaching out because I know someone here has something like this I’m sure...

This is what he is using, 3 sonos connect, parasound zone master model 650 six channel amp and a Panamax MR4300 surge protector. There are also 2 outdoor speakers mounted on the lenai that he showed an invoice saying $900 for the pair(not sure of the brand).

What would something like that run to replace, or would you go a different route?


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Generally speaking used stereo gear is worth about 50% of original MSRP.

Have him show you the invoices for everything, or simply 'Google' the
products and you should come up with your answer.

Different people hear differently.
Women hear differently then do men as part of their ears are
grounded to their skull via a bone. Men's ears are not.

I suggest that you listen to it with some music that
you bring and are familiar with.

Many home installations are simply purchased because of
a 'Low Quote / Price' and sound awful.

Even if a good audio engineer designs it here in the USA.
if they build it in China low quality parts will be used.

-as an example-
Low quality capacitors, are many times not linear to varying voltages versus / over frequency.
Low quality inductors are many times not linear to varying currents versus / over frequency.

Since an complex audio / musical waveform is filled with varying voltages and currents,
as well as varying frequencies, the problems can become so bad that people
end up not turning on their audio system.

Certain digital products make women run from the room. . .Literally!

Red Book Digital is widely used, but it mostly used simply for the software.

Various / different 44.1kHz by 16-bit converters are used by many different recording studios.

Also, anything that is 'Streamed' has been compressed / crunched, which also impacts the sound quality.
Anything that is not a full integer values of 44.1kHz has error problems.

So, 44.1 to 88.2 is good, but 48 kHz & 96kHz is not.
88.2 to 176.4 is also good, but 192kHz is not.

Good mastering engineers will turn down work, if the music was
sampled at anything other than full integer values of 44.1kHz.

And when you compress / crunch musical waveforms, the Timbre
is lost, as the low level information is brought up in level, but the
high level information is reduced.

So listen to the system with known recordings that you believe
sound good in your system you listen to them on today.

And for those that read this that have read about digital audio
and believe that the Nyquist theorem is to be believed, it is
'Not' and is BS that has caused much grief to many recording
artists who moved from high quality analog over to digital as
they were told it was going to be more accurate.

There are many recording artists today, about my age (old..lol) that
feel they have been robbed from being able to leave high quality
music behind (their legacy) for future generations to listen to.

This is one of the reasons for the resurgence in analog recordings seen today.

Once the decision was made to return to vinyl records, many
brought back the cutting laths, tamed the high frequencies (hot)
with better quality electrical components and new knowledge.

Then the only problem left was finding high quality vinyl.

That took a while, but now high quality vinyl can be had, albeit
sometimes with long lead times.

Cartridges have also come a long way since the 1970's.

The RIAA circuits that equalize the recordings (low versus high frequencies)
can now also be built with much high quality electrical components than
we had back in the 1970's.

Turntables are far, far better, albeit some cost over $100k..:mad:

Music Rant Over..😊

Good Luck!

Cheers,
Bruce
 
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Generally speaking used stereo gear is worth about 50% of original MSRP.

Have him show you the invoices for everything, or simply 'Google' the
products and you should come up with your answer.

Different people hear differently.
Women hear differently then do men as part of their ears are
grounded to their skull via a bone. Men's ears are not.

I suggest that you listen to it with some music that
you bring and are familiar with.

Many home installations are simply purchased because of
a 'Low Quote / Price' and sound awful.

Even if a good audio engineer designs it here in the USA.
if they build it in China low quality parts will be used.

-as an example-
Low quality capacitors, are many times not linear to varying voltages versus / over frequency.
Low quality inductors are many times not linear to varying currents versus / over frequency.

Since an complex audio / musical waveform is filled with varying voltages and currents,
as well as varying frequencies, the problems can become so bad that people
end up not turning on their audio system.

Certain digital products make women run from the room. . .Literally!

Red Book Digital is widely used, but it mostly used simply for the software.

Various / different 44.1kHz by 16-bit converters are used by many different recording studios.

Also, anything that is 'Streamed' has been compressed / crunched, which also impacts the sound quality.
Anything that is not a full integer values of 44.1kHz has error problems.

So, 44.1 to 88.2 is good, but 48 kHz & 96kHz is not.
88.2 to 176.4 is also good, but 192kHz is not.

Good mastering engineers will turn down work, if the music was
sampled at anything other than full integer values of 44.1kHz.

And when you compress / crunch musical waveforms, the Timbre
is lost, as the low level information is brought up in level, but the
high level information is reduced.

So listen to the system with known recordings that you believe
sound good in your system you listen to them on today.

And for those that read this that have read about digital audio
and believe that the Nyquist theorem is to be believed, it is
'Not' and is BS that has caused much grief to many recording
artists who moved from high quality analog over to digital as
they were told it was going to be more accurate.

There are many recording artists today, about my age (old..lol) that
feel they have been robbed from being able to leave high quality
music behind (their legacy) for future generations to listen to.

This is one of the reasons for the resurgence in analog recordings seen today.

Once the decision was made to return to vinyl records, many
brought back the cutting laths, tamed the high frequencies (hot)
with better quality electrical components and new knowledge.

Then the only problem left was finding high quality vinyl.

That took a while, but now high quality vinyl can be had, albeit
sometimes with long lead times.

Cartridges have also come a long way since the 1970's.

The RIAA circuits that equalize the recordings (low versus high frequencies)
can now also be built with much high quality electrical components than
we had back in the 1970's.

Turntables are far, far better, albeit some cost over $100k..:mad:

Music Rant Over..😊

Good Luck!

Cheers,
Bruce
Yes - excellent post! Being a long time collector and fan of 70’s and 80’s home audio equipment like Marantz, Kenwood, Sunfire, and Polk Audio combined with years of high listening levels has slightly dulled my ability to hear high frequencies, so these 61 year old ears prefer the clarity of a well mastered CD over the traditional “warm” sound of vinyl.
 

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im a little surprised the guy is garage selling you maybe $3k of ordinary consumer electronics with the house

if the outdoor speakers are wired to the amp maybe leave that, the connects are ok nothing special.
I suspect he has no use for the fairly new $900 speakers in his new house.

I would just offer him $1000 for everything
 

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Don't forget that any costs including labor for in wall wiring are now part of the house structure. You should only pay towards removable equipment. Age is also an issue, not for deterioration but because multi-room equipment has improved over the years. That said, the 3 sonos connect, parasound zone master model 650 six channel amp and Panamax MR4300 are currently available from Amazon for a total around $2100. When you consider the time involved in deciding what to buy, finding the best deals, etc. it's worth it to try and buy the existing equipment. Especially as you'll have a lot to do moving into a new house.

The outdoor speakers is more an issue of do you like way they sound. At one house I had inexpensive Realistic speakers outside in the porch next to the pool and they were fine for two reasons. They were usually only used at a low level for background sound as people always made a lot of noise around the pool and BBQ. Main reason they didn't matter was all critical listening was done in the house. My main music room still has some of the equipment I had back then (1980s SAE electronics).
 

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Bookmarking this. I close on our new house in a couple weeks. It has some speakers in the ceiling in the kitchen/living room and the seller didn't know much about any of it. I assume they are taking the stereo equipment and I'll need to replace it with something.
 

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Yes, those should be included as well as they are "permanently" attached. Good thought.
 

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Update-

He shows me his invoice for $5200 for all components and install, then offered the components to me for $2600. Ummm, no thanks. I too had looked up amazon to replace the individual pieces, no way I’m paying that. I offered $1000, he passed. I’m fine with that.

The ceiling mounted interior speakers stay of course, he can’t take those without repairing the holes.

That being said, I can pick up a set for outside for not much. I will only be using this for music to be playing in the background as I like to have tunes while doing shit around the house.

As someone mentioned above, none of this stuff is special, I just figured since it was already there it would be nice and easy. But not at that price...

Thanks for all the replies, I will just replace with something else.


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he cant honestly expect to recoup wiring costs? was he going to rip the wiring out lol
Who knows, they have been really good about it all so far. But it’s 4 years old, nothing special and this was their winter home. It’s all going in storage for 3 more years while they are out of the country. That’s fine, 3 years from now it will be even older when/if he decides to use it again.


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Don't forget that any costs including labor for in wall wiring are now part of the house structure. You should only pay towards removable equipment. Age is also an issue, not for deterioration but because multi-room equipment has improved over the years. That said, the 3 sonos connect, parasound zone master model 650 six channel amp and Panamax MR4300 are currently available from Amazon for a total around $2100. When you consider the time involved in deciding what to buy, finding the best deals, etc. it's worth it to try and buy the existing equipment. Especially as you'll have a lot to do moving into a new house.

The outdoor speakers is more an issue of do you like way they sound. At one house I had inexpensive Realistic speakers outside in the porch next to the pool and they were fine for two reasons. They were usually only used at a low level for background sound as people always made a lot of noise around the pool and BBQ. Main reason they didn't matter was all critical listening was done in the house. My main music room still has some of the equipment I had back then (1980s SAE electronics).
Funny that you wrote that info above about the Realistic Speakers.
Were they the small 2-Driver Book Shelf Speakers?

If they were, and they were the dark colored ones they originally sold,
those sounded great. Many recording engineers liked them very much,
as I did. But most of the recording engineers would never admit it..:eek:

Then they upgraded them, and they were made in a lighter color, sounded like 'Crap'. .LOL

Wow, 1980's SAE Electronics.
Hadn't thought about them in years..lol

Hell, you might be as old as I am. . .

Have a good friend who worked for them also.

He now owns one of the premier amplifier companies,
which specialize in very high bandwidth audio equipment.

But unless your an AudioPile / Audiophile you would never pay
that much money for an amplifier or preamplifier. . .

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Yes - excellent post! Being a long time collector and fan of 70’s and 80’s home audio equipment like Marantz, Kenwood, Sunfire, and Polk Audio combined with years of high listening levels has slightly dulled my ability to hear high frequencies, so these 61 year old ears prefer the clarity of a well mastered CD over the traditional “warm” sound of vinyl.
If you are using 'Tube Amplifiers', such as Marantz made back in the 1960's - 1970's,
then your not losing your hearing, as the 'Power Bandwidth' of most tube amplifiers
is very low compared to today's 'Quality' solid state amplifiers.

Also, just for clarity.

While the accepted bandwidth for human hearing is usually quoted
as 20 Hz to 20kHz, most of the music is below 'Middle-C" which is
about 262 Hz. Middle-C sits in the middle of a piano.

All of the voweling in speech and music depends not on 20kHz
but below Middle-C.

To add a bit to the above; for the most part voweling diminishes around
1kHz, while consonants begin to rise above 500Hz.

A complex tone can be defined by most people with only 3-Harmonics...F1, F2 and F3.
Most people can easily hear the deviation in 5-Cents between notes / intervals.

But the 'Golden Eared Audiophiles" require 7-Harmonics.

I don't work in Western Scales of 12-Notes as the timbre becomes skewed.

So in my work, the 8th Harmonic, becomes the next Octave.
Audiophiles can also hear down to less then 1-cent.

There ability to discern the cadence of virtually any melody
within the music, is also unbelievable.

So even if your hearing has been reduced down to maybe 6kHz to 8kHz,
you can still hear almost all of the music, assuming your gear and media
used is up to the job..lol

Cheers,
Bruce
 
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Funny that you wrote that info above about the Realistic Speakers.
Were they the small 2-Driver Book Shelf Speakers?

If they were, and they were the dark colored ones they originally sold,
those sounded great. Many recording engineers liked them very much,
as I did. But most of the recording engineers would never admit it..:eek:
Yep, the larger black metal cases.

Hell, you might be as old as I am. . .
I previously figured out that we were very close in age. For perspective I saw Cream in concert my freshman year in college. I think it was their farewell tour.

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Bullshit. If the speakers are installed in the ceiling they are part of the real estate and stay with the house.
The speakers stay, the receiver I assume is not.

The seller on mine is weird. He wants to leave the washer and dryer, but take the extra large fridge. I didn’t want his movers fucking up everything trying to get it out so we negotiated it staying. I’m also on the hook for his security contract for two years, but my wife likes the security system.

He’s moving from TN to Idaho. They have a pool table. He tried to get me to buy it, but I don’t care enough for one to pay for it. I bet it’s still there when we move in.
 

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Yep, the larger black metal cases.



I previously figured out that we were very close in age. For perspective I saw Cream in concert my freshman year in college. I think it was their farewell tour.

Al
Yep, the 'Black Ones' were the good ones.

One very well known and respected recording and mastering engineer I know stated. . .
"Those speakers are the best deal on the market". . lol

Just my opinion;
Everything connected with the 'British Blues Movement' goes back to John Mayall's Bluesbreakers.
He is, in my opinion, the 'Godfather' of the British Blues Movement.

Clapton of course was just one of many artists that came from Mayall's group.

The 'Rolling Stones' played a large role in bringing back the 'Chicago Blues',
which originally only really existed from about 1948-1958.

I am sure you have heard the story about the 'Stones' visiting Chess Records
and being welcomed by a painter, who was painting the room.

They asked him to be brought to the office of the 'Chess' brothers.

Once in the door they asked if they could meet 'Muddy Waters'.
One of the Chess Brothers said you just did. . . He was the painter..lol

Muddy hung 'Wonder Blinds' for a living before becoming a famous musician.

In one of his songs he sings. . "Pull Down Your Wonder Blinds".
Can't remember the name of the tune, but it was filled with his 'Stinging' slide guitar riffs.

After his work with Chess Records, and being reintroduced by the Stones
he went on, in my opinion, to do his best work with Johnny Winters.

In many of the recordings they did together, Johnny actually played the slide guitar, not Muddy.

Take care DB!

Cheers,
Bruce
 
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