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    V's aren't meant to be in the rain.


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    bumping this thread since my car now sits out in the rain during the week for work.

    How do I remove the headliner enough to access the REAR drain pain? Dropping the headliner enough to see the front is easy enough following the directions. The fronts are clear and I can push wire/weed whacker string up through the rear holes, but I don't know if perhaps one of the drain tubes is disconnected from the pan. My leak is on the rear passenger side roof area. Is it easier to remove the ultraview sunroof rather than the head liner?

    Any help? This leak seriously has me considering a trade in on a new mustang.
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    bump?
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    I'm hoping that this is only a "here and there" issue and not a problem with most. I typically don't care for sunroofs but looked for one with the UltraView because I figured the kids and wife would love it. I hope that decision doesn't bite me in the ass.
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    They only leak if the drain tubes get clogged or fall off


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    Quote Originally Posted by larry arizona View Post
    They only leak if the drain tubes get clogged or fall off


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    I do plan to check and clean the drain tubes. Isn't there also a potential issue with the tape GM used for sealant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by larry arizona View Post
    They only leak if the drain tubes get clogged or fall off


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    What's the best way to access the rear drain pan?
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    I sat on this a whole year because the rains let up and I had cleaned my drain tubes....well, it happened again, but only along the front driver pillar and the passenger rear pillar. And only in heavy downpours. It's as if it's just too much water at one time. It rained slow and steady all night the other day and there were NO leaks that day.

    EDIT: I think I want to do the tube replacement. Anyone in LA wanna get together and try it?
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    How about removing the bottom flap instead?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sommer86 View Post
    I sat on this a whole year because the rains let up and I had cleaned my drain tubes....well, it happened again, but only along the front driver pillar and the passenger rear pillar. And only in heavy downpours. It's as if it's just too much water at one time. It rained slow and steady all night the other day and there were NO leaks that day.

    EDIT: I think I want to do the tube replacement. Anyone in LA wanna get together and try it?
    I'm interested. Mine leaks with heavy rain as well.
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    Courtesy of ThunderCad:
    Hey everyone, I think I may have figured how to keep your Ultraview roof equipped CTS-V bone dry regardless of the cloudburst or carwash. I found a few threads here regarding cleaning the drain tubes. I picked up a rear derailleur cable instead of weed whacker line and sure enough, when I pulled the trunk trim from the driver's side and disconnected the drain tube about two cups of water emptied into a container I had ready. I pushed the 6 foot long cable up through both rear lines, pours cups of water and watched all four drains do what they're supposed to. Last weekend I did a spot check up the same area of the back seat with my hand like I have dozens of times before after rain and DAMN IT, another puddle, only six weeks after I cleared the lines.

    Alright, so I pulled the trunk trim and again and sure enough, when I pulled the drain tube there was some water backed up. So I fed the cable first up the tube, then again down the rubber grommet the line plugs into. I notice this time resistance I hadn't before. I pulled the grommet from the rear wheel arc the sheet metal and, low and behold, the drain tube plugs into a rubber piece that seals flat. Some of you already knew this, but I quickly found a way to get around it. Have a look at the photo. I carefully turned the grommet upside down, (note the word TOP upside down on the grommet) then inserted the drain tube into the proper sized hole in the rubber piece, plugged with a red cap. I then put the cap into the hole designed for the drain tube and I now have a proper terminating drain tube. It turns out that technically it's not the drain tubes getting plugged up, but where they terminate getting clogged. Tale care to NOT pull down on the drain tube when relocating it to the other hole or you may risk disconnecting it from the sunroof drain. There is just enough tube to connect into the shallow hole when the grommet has been turned upside down first.

    Once I swapped holes I poured a liter of water into the drain channel and it POURS out behind the rear wheel instead of dribbling. My guess is that the design is supposed to open just enough to allow drainage when the tube fill up halfway under the weight of the water, but after a few years the rubber hardens and it just can't keep up with clearing the water in time before it overflows the channels and does a number on the interior. You can honestly do both rear drains in less than minutes, without making make any cuts or mods to the grommet, and then never worry about rain or a carwash becoming a problem in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinman View Post
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    Hey everyone, I think I may have figured how to keep your Ultraview roof equipped CTS-V bone dry regardless of the cloudburst or carwash. I found a few threads here regarding cleaning the drain tubes. I picked up a rear derailleur cable instead of weed whacker line and sure enough, when I pulled the trunk trim from the driver's side and disconnected the drain tube about two cups of water emptied into a container I had ready. I pushed the 6 foot long cable up through both rear lines, pours cups of water and watched all four drains do what they're supposed to. Last weekend I did a spot check up the same area of the back seat with my hand like I have dozens of times before after rain and DAMN IT, another puddle, only six weeks after I cleared the lines.

    Alright, so I pulled the trunk trim and again and sure enough, when I pulled the drain tube there was some water backed up. So I fed the cable first up the tube, then again down the rubber grommet the line plugs into. I notice this time resistance I hadn't before. I pulled the grommet from the rear wheel arc the sheet metal and, low and behold, the drain tube plugs into a rubber piece that seals flat. Some of you already knew this, but I quickly found a way to get around it. Have a look at the photo. I carefully turned the grommet upside down, (note the word TOP upside down on the grommet) then inserted the drain tube into the proper sized hole in the rubber piece, plugged with a red cap. I then put the cap into the hole designed for the drain tube and I now have a proper terminating drain tube. It turns out that technically it's not the drain tubes getting plugged up, but where they terminate getting clogged. Tale care to NOT pull down on the drain tube when relocating it to the other hole or you may risk disconnecting it from the sunroof drain. There is just enough tube to connect into the shallow hole when the grommet has been turned upside down first.

    Once I swapped holes I poured a liter of water into the drain channel and it POURS out behind the rear wheel instead of dribbling. My guess is that the design is supposed to open just enough to allow drainage when the tube fill up halfway under the weight of the water, but after a few years the rubber hardens and it just can't keep up with clearing the water in time before it overflows the channels and does a number on the interior. You can honestly do both rear drains in less than minutes, without making make any cuts or mods to the grommet, and then never worry about rain or a carwash becoming a problem in the future.
    Thanks. I've read where you posted this before. I have your posts bookmarked, lol.

    Instead of weed whacked cable, I actually used a $5 bicycle brake/gear selector cable. It's SUPER strong and firm but easily bends to clear debris. Just went to my local bike shop and got a 5 or 6 footer. I think it's time to clean them again....however, I've never found where either front or rear tubes terminate.
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    Wagon, in wheel Wells, front and rear. Should be the same in sedans. Coupes, well coupes are in a whole different world.
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    sooooo, does anyone have good advice on how to get the liner down towards the rear without kinking it? Does the back seat need to come out? B pillars? C pillars? I'd really like to see if my tubes are connected to the drain pain, as I can push the string/wire in without a hassle.
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    Thanks!
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    Hope it all works for you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by larry arizona View Post
    They only leak if the drain tubes get clogged or fall off


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    false.

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    Hope it all works for you!
    It did not work out. At all. There is still just as bad a leak as ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinman View Post
    I think I dated her!
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    How is this not something Cadillac covers? I got a fuel pump upgrade on my 04 from GM 11 years after it was made but our way more expensive cars with leather interiors are no big deal? The letter from GM I got with my fuel pump upgrade made me want to stick with this carline even more. They said that v series owners are very important to them and they will always take extra care of them. My back seat just got a good wet down in the rain. Just hit 45k on this car. I would think this has happened enough times for them to step up. It's not like they made a million of them. Don't get me wrong. I love this car. So much that water inside it sucks!!
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    Just had this happen in my car. We've had some SERIOUS storms the past few days, I got in the car today, after having not driven it for a few days and the passenger side floor had about an inch of water, the seat was wet and my service airbag light was on. The back seat had some water on it too, but I don't see any place that it was leaking in the rear. I cleaned the front drains and pulled the A-pillar on the passenger side and dried up the carpet. We'll see what happens with this next round of storms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarleyPSD View Post
    Just had this happen in my car. We've had some SERIOUS storms the past few days, I got in the car today, after having not driven it for a few days and the passenger side floor had about an inch of water, the seat was wet and my service airbag light was on. The back seat had some water on it too, but I don't see any place that it was leaking in the rear. I cleaned the front drains and pulled the A-pillar on the passenger side and dried up the carpet. We'll see what happens with this next round of storms.
    Yeah... the flooding has been really bad in Wilton down the road.

    Mine hasn't seen the light of day since last Friday.
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    Ive cleaned mine and the heavy rain we just had here in San Diego caused more leaking. About an inch of water in the passenger rear footwell as well as the seat and a good puddle under the seat too. I'm over this sunroof. Maybe I'll just cover the roof with some matching carbon fiber vinyl and cover up the sunroof. I could care less if I have it or I don't have it. Spent an hour this morning shop vacuuming water out of the carpet and under the seat. I just left the lower seat cushion out. I wish I could just re skin the roof with a non sunroof panel and be done with it. My 04 had a sunroof. Never leaked in all these years and over 120k miles on it. I keep my car immaculate and this is so frustrating !!!!
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    Does it show water damage/signs on either of the C-pillars? That's where the drain plumbing runs IIRC, and if so you might want to check the drains as that's the most common source of the issue.

    Sucks to hear though, water damage is the worst for a long term owner and seriously frustrating. Hope you can find the source.
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    excellent write up. thanks

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    Mine just did this on Tuesday. I never leave the car out in the rain.....but I had to that day due to my garage being painted.

    Anyways. I removed the headliner and let it rest on the seats. (I left all of the wiring hooked up.) Found the clogged lines using the "weedeater" chord trick. Anyways, I am using anow auto carpet cleaner that seems to be removing the light water stains. I just put everything back together and seems to be fine......no more rain for her!!

    Could have been a lot worse!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorfingers View Post
    It's all a matter of weatherstripping. Because of the handling ability of the V chassis, the roof flexes more than that of the ordinary CTS. The weatherstripping and sunroof drain lines must be laid to accommodate this. In most of them, they are.

    A good body shop should be able to re-weatherstrip and/or re-lay the drain lines so that they stay sealed.
    Or a local window replacement shop maybe?

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    This thread (plus others) has got me extremely paranoid. I'm going to try to check these tubes tonight.
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    I really wanted one with no sunroof and ended up with Ultraview. I think at some point I will just seal the damn thing. Sounds like shit open anyway.


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