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    Wideband O2

    I'm getting some mods ready for installation soon and have been shopping for wideband controllers and was curious to know if anyone is using Innovates 3877 controller. It is the LC-2 controller without a gauge. I have HP Tuners and will be connecting the controller to the interface for scanning. Is there really a need for a separate gauge? I prefer to keep the stock "look" and while I know that the gauge can be mounted out of sight in either the glove box or center console near the 12 volt outlet, I doubt that I would use it. I searched and found a few using the LC-2 with the gauge but didn't find any using it without.

    When I'm logging, I rely on the scanner and I typically run a log to and from work a few times a week or at least I did with my last car. If I don't run them as often with the V, I'll most likely run a new log shortly after filling the tank.

    Thanks!

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    I have the innovate MTX-L that I also connect and log with HPT. My guage is mounted in the glove box and I may have looked at it 5x in a year.
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    Thanks! Looking forward to getting a few mods done and will probably call it good shortly before I sell the car in a few years....

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    Have a look at the aem 30-0333. It outputs to the canbus, no worries about DC offset - and very fast. Several posts on hp tuners forum detailing it.
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    Ballenger's wideband is the one most often recommended by tuners on this forum.

    I had an MTX in my TBSS and it failed after 2 years.


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    I have innovate LC-2 Digital Wideband and it also connects to Aero Force gauge. $179 frm Mont Motor sports.

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    Thanks to all. I picked up the LC-2 controller with sensor and no gauge. I'll get it installed first and then move on to the rest of the mods. I also picked up the B&B test pipes which show to have 2 bungs welded to them already. Are these bungs in the proper location for the installation of the sensor or do I need to weld an additional bung in? I've read that the sensor (when you're using just one) needs to be in the passenger side pipe and would assume that the top bung would be the proper one to use assuming it's in the right location.

    Thanks again!

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    You will need to weld a bung

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    Go with the Ballenger. Innovate isn't great for tuning but if you want it for a reference then it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jchastain View Post
    You will need to weld a bung
    Thanks for the heads up. I'll weld one in each pipe just in case.

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    We offer a few options; Ballenger, Innovate, AEM, etc.

    Ballenger would be our first choice, followed by Innovate & AEM. If you just want a controller with no gauge, LC-2 is a good option for the price.

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    Ballenger is probably the best on a budget...

    Almost any will work for monitoring to see if things are out of line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    Thanks for the heads up. I'll weld one in each pipe just in case.
    Make sure you test fit the 02 before welding the bung. You want to make sure you have access to install/remove it without having to remove the test pipe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jchastain View Post
    You will need to weld a bung
    Quote Originally Posted by Jchastain View Post
    Make sure you test fit the 02 before welding the bung. You want to make sure you have access to install/remove it without having to remove the test pipe
    I think it needs to be as close to the header collector/manifold end as possible. The angle of attachment is important as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    Thanks to all. I picked up the LC-2 controller with sensor and no gauge. I'll get it installed first and then move on to the rest of the mods. I also picked up the B&B test pipes which show to have 2 bungs welded to them already. Are these bungs in the proper location for the installation of the sensor or do I need to weld an additional bung in? I've read that the sensor (when you're using just one) needs to be in the passenger side pipe and would assume that the top bung would be the proper one to use assuming it's in the right location.

    Thanks again!
    Since you're removing the cats, you can just delete the rear O2 sensors and turn off the codes. The WB sensor can go in the rear bung, unless you prefer a different spot. It doesn't need to be right behind the collector (and shouldn't be put that close due to the excessive temps), but the further away you put it, the slower the response. The secondary O2 position should work fine, provided the angle is between about 15-80 degrees from vertical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleventeen View Post
    Since you're removing the cats, you can just delete the rear O2 sensors and turn off the codes. The WB sensor can go in the rear bung, unless you prefer a different spot. It doesn't need to be right behind the collector (and shouldn't be put that close due to the excessive temps), but the further away you put it, the slower the response. The secondary O2 position should work fine, provided the angle is between about 15-80 degrees from vertical.
    Awesome! That sounds easy enough.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcmgt View Post
    Have a look at the aem 30-0333. It outputs to the canbus, no worries about DC offset - and very fast. Several posts on hp tuners forum detailing it.
    X2 that. Simple , even for me.
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    FYI AEM released a clamp on style bung. No welding required. Clamp, drill hole and install sensor.
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    When you guys are using the Ballenger wideband, are you using the stock Bosch sensor that it comes with or do you upgrading to the NTK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bfhawk View Post
    When you guys are using the Ballenger wideband, are you using the stock Bosch sensor that it comes with or do you upgrading to the NTK?
    NTK.

    Lmk if you need to buy one.


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