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    This is the path of the air through the blower.

    1. Air enters the snout (blue)
    2. intake air is drawn in by the rotation of the rotors
    3. air is compressed and expelled out the top of the supercharger case where the intercooler brick (cyan square) is
    4. Air passes through the brick upwards effectively exchanging the heat of the charged air into the cooler fluid flowing through the brick
    5. after the air passes through brick it is now inside the hollow area of the supercharger lid and follows the red arrows down the runners to the heads. (this is also where the IAT2 is read)
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    Calling out 98aggie's STAGGERING IAT2 claims!!

    Increase the efficiency of the inlet to the blower increases the quality of the air.

    While gross volume remains the same, you increase the density of the air.

    Friction on the inlet essentially stretches the air. Think of a rubber band at rest. Take a section and measure it. Now, stretch that section.

    The mass of the section remains the same, but the length increases, so the mass of rubber per linear inch decreases.

    This is the effect of having any restriction (friction, bends, small diameter tubing, etc) upstream (before) the blower's rotors.


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    Where do I send money? I want in. If I could get my car to not pull any timing in the 1/4 it would fly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 98aggie View Post
    So far no one understands this concept. This past build is down 3.2psi over what it was before. It was 595rwhp previous with just the bolt ons stock cam, blower and heads. All was changed was the ported blower and LSA heads. Guess the owner will need to go to houston to dyno just to show it probablly makes close to 780-790 there.

    Got 2 more builds about to be finished, pushing them a little harder so expect similar results. While controlling IATs. It wont be as good as the 712rwhp build but we are spinning the blower hard, so more heat is expected.


    This is with the ported set up, I think most people with a 10" lower and stock upper see 14-15psi?
    Aggie- until you understand high school physics and the relationship between heat, pressure, and volume, you really don't have any leg to stand in in challenging someone with a doctorate in physics and stating "no one understands this concept". I understand it a thousand times better than you, period. End of story.

    PV = nRT. Solve for T and you're toast. You can't pressurize atmospheric air at 90F by 10psi and have it only gain 10 degrees in temp, not matter HOW efficient your IC brick is. You have stated you do not use ice in your HX tank, so the heat transfer to the HX fluid is limited by the ambient temps (90F per your notes). At that temperature differential there's just not enough thermal transfer to accomplish the level of cooling you describe. I did the math - you'd need an industrial cooling tower sized for a 700 ton HVAC unit, weighing approximate 35 tons.

    Your logic does not pass the simple laws of high school physics. If you don't know how to use the ideal gas law to calculate temperature differential when a fluid like air is compressed by a known volume, then you have some homework to do. I can recommend a few textbooks for you if you need.

    Please don't insult me or any other licensed engineer on this forum by claiming you know more about thermodynamics, fluid dynamics, heat exchange, or anything of the sort unless you are willing to post up the proper math showing how this is possible, or legitimate logs and video of your car pulling to 200mph with the associated HP Tuner logs. Otherwise, you can type all you want but no one is going to take you seriously.

    But I would pay good money to see you come down to Texas and run Robb Sutton with your magic mobile.

    By the way - I'll be getting in touch with Greg Good shortly to see if even HE thinks this is possible or just fantasy. What do you think he's going to say?
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    Calling Bruce, calling Bruce!

    Is aggie's claim of roughly 600whp theoretically possible with the stock LSA cam, blower, and heads?

    This is no meth, no nitrous, no ice or artificial cooling at all. pump gas only
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    Aggie - this isn't even your car, is it?

    Are you the builder or designer or something? You keep saying you are finishing up this car, then that car, and now two more on the way. All are making incredible numbers - and it would seem the only real secret is Greg Good is porting the heads.

    Which presents another problem - Greg isn't porting LS/LSA heads right now, so where are you getting them from? Certainly not from him. What gives? You are spouting off so many inconsistencies (we won't call them LIES just yet) that I'm beginning to wonder if you are trolling/punking us.

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    WHAT THE FUCK!?!? Why is someone dragging down my good flipping name?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TriTexan View Post
    Aggie - this isn't even your car, is it?
    No it fucking isn't. Call me out again you twatwaffle and I will stuff you in a dumpster!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TriTexan View Post
    Calling Bruce, calling Bruce!

    Is aggie's claim of roughly 600whp theoretically possible with the stock LSA cam, blower, and heads?

    This is no meth, no nitrous, no ice or artificial cooling at all. pump gas only
    Reference my Sig.

    Since then i swapped the modded box for a NEP intake, stock to CNC 90mm TB, 90mm ported snout, ZL1 lid, gutted cats, and dropped from a 2.5 to a 2.4 pulley.

    on a roughly 30 degree warmer day with a heatsoaked car (ridiculous IAT1's and 2's) after about half a dozen back to back runs we netted 572hp on the same dyno.

    Now i know i didn't LOSE hp with that round of mods...even though my dyno sheet is lower...

    on a good cool day I am likely 600whp. stock blower, stock cam, stock heads, no ice...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TriTexan View Post
    Which presents another problem - Greg isn't porting LS/LSA heads right now, so where are you getting them from? Certainly not from him. What gives? You are spouting off so many inconsistencies (we won't call them LIES just yet) that I'm beginning to wonder if you are trolling/punking us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aggie View Post
    WHAT THE FUCK!?!? Why is someone dragging down my good flipping name?!?
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    No it fucking isn't. Call me out again you twatwaffle and I will stuff you in a dumpster!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubar569 View Post
    Reference my Sig.

    Since then i swapped the modded box for a NEP intake, stock to CNC 90mm TB, 90mm ported snout, ZL1 lid, gutted cats, and dropped from a 2.5 to a 2.4 pulley.

    on a roughly 30 degree warmer day with a heatsoaked car (ridiculous IAT1's and 2's) after about half a dozen back to back runs we netted 572hp on the same dyno.

    Now i know i didn't LOSE hp with that round of mods...even though my dyno sheet is lower...

    on a good cool day I am likely 600whp. stock blower, stock cam, stock heads, no ice...
    I think he said stock TB, too. And a 10 inch lower and stock upper. Still - I guess you have shown it isn't too far off the theoretically possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TriTexan View Post
    I think he said stock TB, too. And a 10 inch lower and stock upper. Still - I guess you have shown it isn't too far off the theoretically possible.
    I will say that my results certainly are not typical. being a 6MT helps a LOT. if you're an auto car i would find it very difficult to crack 600whp without touching the blower, cam, heads, meth, spray, or icing.

    This was all on a dynojet and NEP is a pretty respectable shop and the dyno is pretty spot on overall (not a happy dyno). Wireless can vouch for that too. Mike is a wizard on the tuning side as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TriTexan View Post

    Greg is a Houston guy like me. His focus is largely on Vipers (previous Gen I think). He is actually REALLY good based on his reputation, but I've watched videos of him hand porting things and "precision" is the very last word I would use.


    Now to be fair...Greg's work on Viper's does produce some amazing results. Numerous guys did get 200+ whp gains using his ported stock Viper heads. But those head ports were often done at the same time as cam swap and a bunch of other mods. But nearly 300 hp without a cam change? Not likely AT ALL.
    You've never seen a video of me porting a cylinder head. There isn't one. You have me confused with someone else.

    The most hp a Viper customer has claimed to my knowledge is 189 rwhp, and in the thread he clearly stated it was a cam and head swap.

    Most of the work I do are LS heads.

    My work is not very precise? Thank you for your candor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Good View Post
    You've never seen a video of me porting a cylinder head. There isn't one. You have me confused with someone else.

    The most hp a Viper customer has claimed to my knowledge is 189 rwhp, and in the thread he clearly stated it was a cam and head swap.

    Most of the work I do are LS heads.

    My work is not very precise? Thank you for your candor.
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    Shit did not get real. The claims are still BS on IAT2's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubar569 View Post
    I will say that my results certainly are not typical. being a 6MT helps a LOT. if you're an auto car i would find it very difficult to crack 600whp without touching the blower, cam, heads, meth, spray, or icing.

    This was all on a dynojet and NEP is a pretty respectable shop and the dyno is pretty spot on overall (not a happy dyno). Wireless can vouch for that too. Mike is a wizard on the tuning side as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by x96535 View Post
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    They also said on PUMP gas, not E85.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlownV View Post
    They also said on PUMP gas, not E85.
    His quote didn't. Just making a point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TriTexan View Post
    Calling Bruce, calling Bruce!

    Is aggie's claim of roughly 600whp theoretically possible with the stock LSA cam, blower, and heads?

    This is no meth, no nitrous, no ice or artificial cooling at all. pump gas only
    It's up a bit further on the page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlownV View Post
    It's up a bit further on the page.
    I was referring to fubar's quote specifically, as in the one I quoted. But we're now taking this awesome thread off course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlownV View Post
    They also said on PUMP gas, not E85.
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    Haven't been around these forums long but why do so many people name drop on so many mods? Is a dual sec catch can really going to add any hp? Same with spark plugs, yea I get it some people get paid to run NGK plugs in NHRA but this is crazy talk for 99.9% of the people on these forums! I cringe every time I see these lists of mods... If you are getting discounts or some payback, who the he'll cares what type of 2.X" pull you had installed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 383-S-10 View Post
    Haven't been around these forums long but why do so many people name drop on so many mods? Is a dual sec catch can really going to add any hp? Same with spark plugs, yea I get it some people get paid to run NGK plugs in NHRA but this is crazy talk for 99.9% of the people on these forums! I cringe every time I see these lists of mods... If you are getting discounts or some payback, who the he'll cares what type of 2.X" pull you had installed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Good View Post
    You've never seen a video of me porting a cylinder head. There isn't one. You have me confused with someone else.

    The most hp a Viper customer has claimed to my knowledge is 189 rwhp, and in the thread he clearly stated it was a cam and head swap.

    Most of the work I do are LS heads.

    My work is not very precise? Thank you for your candor.
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    Greg still in fact ports ls3/lsa heads..
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    Calling out 98aggie's STAGGERING IAT2 claims!!

    So is some one actually going provide real world data that contradicts my unbiased before and after data results on unported runners.

    I mean that is were the claims were stated ,in my thread. So I think it's justifiable for the proof to be brought to the table.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Good View Post
    You've never seen a video of me porting a cylinder head. There isn't one. You have me confused with someone else.

    The most hp a Viper customer has claimed to my knowledge is 189 rwhp, and in the thread he clearly stated it was a cam and head swap.

    Most of the work I do are LS heads.

    My work is not very precise? Thank you for your candor.
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    best bench racing I've seen from a thread in awhile! LOL

    As for the physics... it doesn't matter how good heads are, they simply cannot stave off the compressed heat produced by the supercharger. The intercooler in the supercharger's job is to pull the heat from the air, move it to the heat exchanger, to extract the heat, and then move the cooler coolant back to the intercooler to repeat. Airflow movement aside, there simply is not a large enough volume of coolant moving through the supercharger to keep the IAT2s at such temps, even in lower pullied configurations.

    Back to bench racing


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